Magic solved state clarification
Pedro_S (2011-10-19 18:49:56 +0000)
I was looking at the magic solved state again today and finally seem to get it.
I've made some pictures of the possible penalties:
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/673/img10019i.jpg (+2)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9325/img10020.jpg (+2)
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7895/img10021h.jpg (DNF)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1438/img10022u.jpg (DNF)
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/807/img10023.jpg (DNF)
Is that all correct?
If so, then why picture 5 is a DNF and picture 1 is +2? Or even worse, picture 5 x picture 2.
The last one looks much more "solved" than the second. It's a DNF because it's 3 pairs of tiles instead of 2 as the rules allow.
Actually, the rules say "If one or two pairs...". Well, having just one pair of "wrong" tiles is impossible. So the rule should be rewritten, I think.
(This last part was mentioned, but not covered, here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=828)
ardianto (2011-10-19 21:17:20 +0000)
Hi Pedro,
I can't see all the pictures you've uploaded. It says "Domain unregistered...".
Could you upload them in somewhere else?
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Ardianto
Pedro_S (2011-10-20 10:10:47 +0000)
They work fine for me, but here it is:
http://www.cuber.com.br/IMG10019.jpg (+2)
http://www.cuber.com.br/IMG10020.jpg (+2)
http://www.cuber.com.br/IMG10021.jpg (DNF)
http://www.cuber.com.br/IMG10022.jpg (DNF)
http://www.cuber.com.br/IMG10023.jpg (DNF)
ardianto (2011-10-21 19:24:11 +0000)
This is my opinion:
For IMG10019:
Measure angle of tiles to the surface, if it is more than 45 degrees from the floor (equivalent to 135 degrees from connecting tiles) then +2, if not, it's solved.
I have simple trick to measure an angle more or less than 45 degrees.
Take small sheet of paper, and flip it like this:
[img:gl90j8iv]http://api.ning.com/files/8aur0Xb5HthbYmNDHPhMRy-Z1GQpwCoAvuCPevyvW-uNewy7fQVmU*KuHeeKuh9kd3YDG5xk5PvYqfBsOqkoI0OfW5ndcak3/2011102202.00.16.jpg?width=750[/img:gl90j8iv]
compare the elevation to the flipped paper (45 degrees).
For IMG10020:
Clearly it is +2.
For IMG10021:
Again, measure the elevated tiles. if one of them more than 45 degrees, then +2, if both of them more than 45 degree, DNF, otherwise it's solved.
For IMG10022:
I agree that's DNF
For IMG10023:
It is +2.
Pedro_S (2011-10-21 21:19:25 +0000)
Well, the last one is a DNF, since the regs say:
If one or two pairs of connecting tiles have a smaller angle with each other, and the puzzle is otherwise solved, then the puzzle is considered solved, with a penalty of 2 seconds. In all other cases the result is DNF.
In that case, 3 pairs of connecting tiles have a smaller angle than 135 degrees.
My point is that it should be a +2, but as the rules are written right now, it would be a DNF.